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TK FAC: Wawancara Anwar Ibrahim Dengan Wartawan Australia By Marhain Tua 6/11/2000 12:35 pm Mon |
MGG119 Wawancara Anwar Ibrahim Dengan Wartawan Australia
(Anwar Ibrahim Talks To The West Australian)
Dari: Free Anwar Com Seperti yang dialami oleh Nelson Mandela (Afrika Selatan), Kim Dae Jung
(Korea Selatan) dan Xanana Gusmao (Timor timor), Anwar berkeyakinan bahawa
kebenaran dan keadilan akan menyerlah juga akhirnya dan beliau akan
dibebaskan daripada hukuman yang menjeratnya untuk 15 tahun itu.
Dalam satu surat yang diseludupkan daripada penjara di pinggir kotaraya
Kuala Lumpur, Anwar telah menjawab beberapa soalan yang dikemukakan oleh
sebuah akhbar Australia Barat. Anwar: Sistem penjara memang menekan perasaan tetapi saya sudah mampu
menyesuaikan diri dengan beribadah, membaca dan berfikir. Jika tidak,
kehidupan di dalam penjara itu boleh membosankan hingga menjadikan kita
malas dan culas. Saya telah dipenjarakan bersendirian sejak dua tahun yang lalu tetapi saya
nampak banduan lain yang kerap menjengukkan muka ketika dalam perjalanan ke
klinik. Mujur juga dan berbeza dengan kisah yang terjadi di Gulag, Auswitz
dan sebagainya, para pengawal penjara adalah mudah mesra dan bersimpati.
Bukan seperti orang yang saya gantikan dulu dan juga orang yang menggantikan
saya sekarang, saya telah dipilih menjawat jawatan Timbalan Presiden UMNO
sebelum dilantik menjadi Timbalan Perdana Menteri.
Soal membakar jembatan itu tidak timbul. Yang lebih dipentingkan ialah
kepercayaan kita dan komitmen kita terhadap demokrasi, keadilan dan hukum
undang-undang. Setelah melihat nasib kawan-kawannya di negara jiran, adalah sukar untuk
kita meyakini bahawa Mahathir akan bersedia berundur secara terhormat.
Sebaliknya kalau kita amati rencana penggabungan bank, penswastaan baru dan
segala urusan kontrak dia semakin bertegas untuk menentukan semua
kepentingan ahli keluarganya dan para kroninya terus diperteguhkan.
Anwar: Secara jelasnya saya telah mengendos Keadilan dan penuh iltizam
dengan agenda Barisan Alternatif. UMNO tidak melakukan sebarang usaha
untuk melakukan perubahan. Sebaliknya pula parti pemkbangkang telah
memperkenalkan satu rancangan reformasi, mengekalkan demokrasi dan hukum
perundangan yang menjanjikan ketumbuhan ekonomi secara saksama.
Dr. Mahathir memang merupakan dalang utama dalam sandiwara itu. Banyak
laporan polis yang dibuat, lengkap dengan dokumen dan bukti terhadap korupsi
yang dilakukan oleh Mahathir, Daim dan Rafidah. Tidak ada pun sebarang
tindakan yang diambil. Soalan: Ada orang berkata bahawa Mahathir dan juga anda bermain politik
dalam parti. Tetapi anda kalah. Bagaimana?
Anwar: Memang tidak dinafikan saya mempunyai penyokong yang mungkin tidak
dapat sabar. Tetapi, begitu juga Mahathir dengan para kroninya. Soalnya
sekarang apakah kuasa itu telah disalah-gunakan. Apakah korupsi dibiarkan.
Saya telah mendesak ditubuhkan satu suruhanjaya bebas untuk menilai segala
salah guna kuasa, korupsi terhadap para pemimpin, termasuk juga saya ketika
berada dalam kerajaan dulu. Mahathir tidak mempunyai etika untuk
menjawabnya. Rakyat sudah naik radang dengan fenomena ini dan perkara ini perlu
diperbetulkan dengan mewujudkan satu agenda reformasi. Jika tidak ia akan
menular dan menjadi sebahagian budaya hidup negara ini.
Anwar: Azizan merupakan alat sahaja. Sudah diajar puluhan kali tetapi
mengecut banyak kali. Dia tidak berapa relevan. Kalau dia tidak mudah tunduk
kepada ugutan dan janji manis mereka, masih ada yang lain lagi.
Anwar: Saya menuntut perbicaraan semula oleh hakim yang bebas. Saya
tidak bersalah dan tidak sepatutnya berada dalam penjara.
Soalan: Apakah anda boleh bekerja dengan Abdullah Badawi, ataupun Najib
Razak? Apakah yang anda fikirkan mengenai pemimpin UMNO yang lain selain
dari Mahathir. Anwar: Kita bekerja berasaskan prinsip dan agenda yang jelas. Laungan
reformasi telah meragut mangsanya dan mencalitkan kepedihan kepada ramai
manusia. Setidak-tidaknya kita perlu menghormati iltizam kita terhadap
demokrasi dan keluhuran undang-undang.
Anwar: Walaupun serangan berbisa ditujukan terhadap Keadilan dan Barisan
Alternatif, majoriti orang Melayu masih memberikan sokongan mereka. Saya
percaya orang bukan-Melayu terutama sekali kaum Cina dan India akan
menghargai kenyataan ini dan tidak mudah dibohongi oleh kelentongan pihak
media. Barisan Alternatif memang akan memberi penekanan terhadap
pertumbuhan ekonomi. Lagipun orang Cina memang mahukan keadilan dan
ketelusan undang-undang. Anwar: Kami memang menghargai sokongan anda. Media yang bebas memang boleh
melakukan banyak kebaikan. Nyatakanlah pendapat anda dan tulis serta
kirimkan kepada pihak berkuasa yang berkaitan.
Rencana Asal: Anwar Ibrahim talks to The West Australian
MALAYSIAN politician Anwar Ibrahim remains defiant in jail and in high
spirits almost two years after he was deposed as Deputy Prime Minister and
convicted on abuse of power and s###my charges.
Like South Africa's Nelson Mandela, South Korea's Kim Dae Jung and East
Timor's Xanana Gusmao, Anwar believes truth and justice will prevail in
the end and he will be cleared and freed from his 15-year sentence.
In a letter smuggled out of his prison on the outskirts of the Malaysian
capital, Kuala Lumpur, Anwar has replied to questions posed by The West
Australian newspaper. QUESTION: For a person who has held high office, it must be difficult for
you to spend your days in a 4m by 3m cell at Sungei Buloh prison on the
outskirts of Kuala Lumpur? ANWAR: The prison system is repressive, but I've learnt to manage well,
being preoccupied with prayers, reading and contemplating.
Otherwise, prison life can be a bore leading a life of indolence and
lethargy. I have been in solitary confinement for the last two years, but I do meet
inmates occasionally peeping into my cell on their way to the clinic.
Fortunately, unlike tales of atrocities in the Gulag, Auschwitz, etc, the
prison guards are rather friendly and sympathetic.
I meet Azizah and the family once in three weeks, communicating by phone,
separated by glass. I'm able to meet my counsel but no friends, family or
associates are allowed. QUESTION: Do you have any regrets about what has happened? It is said that
prime ministers pick their deputies or heirs-apparent, that is the way it
is done in Malaysia. And it does not look Dr Mahathir will go in the
short-term? Have you gone too far with your campaign and burnt the
bridges? ANWAR: I don't have a choice. There is a limit to what one can endure.
It's no longer merely having to conceal one's revulsions against gross
injustice, abuse of power and rampant corruption.
On the bailout of his (Mahathir's) son Mirzan after the financial crisis,
I was asked initially to approve the multi-billion-ringgit scheme. I had
to refuse and that was the ultimate (issue) that incurred his wrath.
And it's not an issue of burning bridges but of articulating your beliefs
and commitment to democracy, justice and the rule of law.
Seeing the fate of his friends in the neighbouring countries, it is not
conceivable that Dr Mahathir would opt to gracefully depart from the
scene. On the contrary, looking at the bank merger proposals, new privatisation
and contract deals, he is determined to ensure that his family and crony
interests are entrenched. QUESTION: Do you believe you will return to the leadership of UMNO and
Malaysia? Or, do you believe UMNO is finished as far as you are concerned,
and you will return to power at the head of a new party, such as Keadilan
(Justice Party) or a coalition of parties?
UMNO has not made any meaningful attempt towards reform. On the contrary,
the coalition or parties had introduced an elaborate reform plan,
upholding democracy and the rule of law and promoting economic growth with
equity. QUESTION: A nagging question is why should Dr Mahathir act to remove you
after having defended you and rejected all accusations against you as
unacceptable? Are there forces beyond Dr Mahathir's control?
ANWAR: I am untenable as a nemesis not only to Dr Mahathir, but to his
close associates such as Daim Zainuddin who was publicly known to have
amassed enormous wealth as Finance Minister.
My views expounded in the Asian Renaissance, my crusade against
corruption, cronyism and nepotism are perceived as threats to the ruling
clique. Notwithstanding, Dr Mahathir is certainly accountable as the supremo in
the entire charade. Despite police reports, documents adduced to prove
corruption against Dr Mahathir, Daim, (International Trade) Minister
Rafidah (Aziz), no action is ever envisaged.
QUESTION: Some say Dr Mahathir played party politics, and so did you and
you lost? Do you accept that? ANWAR: Yes, I lost the job and am incarcerated. But there is an ensuing
struggle. It's a temporary relief for the corrupt conspirators. But, I
trust in the wisdom of Malaysians, that truth, justice and virtue are
external in nature; and would ultimately prevail.
QUESTION: It is said that you cultivated your followers and they were
itching to wrestle power so they could pursue and advance their own
agendas. How do you respond? ANWAR: Undoubtedly, I do have my supporters, who may be impatient. So does
Dr Mahathir with his cronies. The issue is whether power is abused;
corruption is condoned. I've demanded an independent commission to check
all excesses, corruption against all leaders, including myself whilst in
Government. Dr Mahathir does not have the moral courage to respond.
QUESTION: That when you spoke about corruption and the need for rule of
law and justice, you knew very well that this was not possible in the
absolute sense because of the culture prevailing in the country. You knew
your team would be swallowed by the prevailing system and you would be
restrained from moving away from the path taken by past leaders. How do
you respond? ANWAR: Precisely, we need the reforms. The present leadership seems to
condone corruption and the excesses. They are allowing the institution of
government to be infected and become cancerous.
There is public outrage and this needs to be channeled through a
comprehensive reform agenda. Otherwise it would become endemic, as part of
the Malaysian culture. QUESTION: I am told support for you is growing. But it is not being
translated into visible wins for you. Rallies and protests are held, but
they are forgotten almost as quickly as they are held. What, in your view,
must happen before you can be propelled back into office?
ANWAR: We are operating in a repressive system. As history has shown,
surprises do happen. Meanwhile, we will have to sustain our efforts,
disseminate information and strengthen our resolve. Patience is a virtue.
QUESTION: Now that you have been sentenced to 15 years jail, what is the
future for you and, more generally, for the Reformasi movement in
Malaysia? ANWAR: I have said that the sentence by Mahathir's court is unjust,
disgraceful, and revolting. I vehemently reject the allegations and the
conviction. The struggle and reforms have to continue.
QUESTION: Do you harbour any resentment towards Azizan Abu Bakar for his
role in your conviction? (Azizan accused Anwar of s###mising him.)
ANWAR: Azizan is merely a small pawn; recanted umpteen times, but timid
all the same. He is quite irrelevant. Had he not succumbed to their threat
or promise, there may be others. QUESTION: Do you feel that with Dr Mahathir's eventual departure from
office, you might be pardoned or at least granted a pardon or early
release? ANWAR: I demand a retrial by competent independent judges. I'm innocent
and should not be in jail. QUESTION: Could you work with Abdullah Badawi (the Deputy Prime Minister
who could succeed Dr Mahathir) or Najib Razak (the Defence Minister and
senior party leader)? What are your thoughts on current UMNO leaders other
than Dr Mahathir? ANWAR: We work based on principles and a clear agenda. The clamour for
Reformasi has claimed victims and inflicted pain on many. At the very
least, we'll have to honour our commitment to democracy and the rule of
law. QUESTION: Since the formation of Keadilan and Barisan Alternatif, the
ruling coalition has gone to great lengths to convince voters that it is
the only choice for Malaysians, and particularly non-bumiputras, who see
stability and economic growth as paramount. How can you, or your parties,
counter this perception and harness the vote of the influential Chinese in
particular? ANWAR: Despite the barrage of attacks and venom against Keadilan and
Barisan Alternatif, the majority of the Malays supported them. I believe
the non-Malays, particularly the Chinese and Indians would appreciate the
facts and our programs and not be duped by the lies by the controlled
media. The Barisan Alternatif is committed to economic growth. And, the Chinese
are equally concerned with the issue of justice and the rule of law.
QUESTION: Given the attention your case has received overseas, do you have
any particular message for your supporters outside Malaysia?
ANWAR: We are truly appreciative of your support. A free media can work
wonders. Express your views and write to the relevant authorities.
QUESTION: What more could world leaders and Australian politicians do to
gain your freedom? ANWAR: I trust Australian politicians know their priorities as they have
indicated in the past. Their role in enlightening the world on the plight
of the Timorese, for example, is well recognised.
- from Freeanwar.com |